Talk:Bruce Timm/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Muboshgu (talk · contribs) 23:26, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello. Here is my first pass review. I'll put this on hold for a week to allow for improvements. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:26, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Lead

• MOS:OPENPARABIO says to list One, or possibly more, noteworthy positions, activities, or roles that the person is mainly known for, avoiding subjective or contentious terms. Listing him as an artist, character designer, animator, writer, producer and voice actor is a few too many roles.
• Saying what he is "best known for" is subjective editorializing. Let the work speak for itself rather than telling the reader in those terms.
• A paragraph shouldn't start with a pronoun as each new paragraph is separate from the previous. This comment also refers to its occurrences in the body, I won't repeat the point below.
• I assume "DCAU" is an acronym for "DC Animated Universe", but the acronym has to be presented at first use as per MOS:ACRO1STUSE.

Early life

• Don't list seasons per MOS:SEASONS, as summer in the Northern hemisphere is winter in the Southern hemisphere.
• What years were these Filmation layout tests?

Animation

• Timm's early career in animation was varied as with the "best known for" remark above, better to show than to tell.
• Why is GI Joe presented in parentheses? It looks and reads odd.
• but without luck; this is a colloquialism. Rather, say something along the lines of "he was unsuccessful".
• "DiC" should probably be expanded to "DiC Entertainment" for clarity.
• popularly referred to as the "DCAU" (DC animated universe), please see MOS:ACRO1STUSE again for this, and capitalize per the article title.
• and also named Timmverse or Diniverse after both him and Paul Dini. Given the importance of Paul Dini here, please add a phrase contextualizing who he is.
• Some of the projects have their release years, and others don't.
• Timm did virtually all the original character designs Surely "did" is not the most appropriate verb here. That sentence is also pretty long and could be split.
• There are several paragraphs suffering from WP:PROSELINE: In x timeframe, y happened. Please rewrite these.
• The quote on the 2021 announcement is too long and can be reduced. What does more Batman: The Animated Series than Batman: The Animated Series even mean?

Acting

• Only some of these projects provide the year, while others don't.
• appeared in animated form and appeared in an animated form appear in two consecutive sentences, please vary the language.
• The second paragraph is one sentence that should be split into at least two.

Comics

• While Timm is known primarily for his work in animation is also subjective and irrelevant to his work on comics.
• Paul Dini was already presented and linked above, and per MOS:SURNAME, the subsequent mentions should just be "Dini" without a link. Also he should be called "Timm" and not "Bruce Timm".

Drawing style and influences

• completely self-taught is redundant. "Self-taught" is sufficient.

Personal life

• Any other details? Wife's name, when they married, where they live? Other interests, hobbies, community service?
• More proseline problems here.

Filmography

• The film and television tables are mostly sourced, but one row needs a source and the tables need scopes added (see MOS:DTAB).
• The writing table is unsourced and has an empty "notes" column.

Bibliography

• Seems too compact, maybe 25em or 30em would be better.

External links

• The Winsor McCay Award navbox is present but not mentioned anywhere in the article.
• Similarly, the Inkpot Award navbox is present but it's only mentioned in the infobox, not article prose.

@Muboshgu: Thank you for all the feedback! It really helped improve the article.

Lead changes seem to be done, but isn't the acronym for DCAU already presented first? It has never been called the "Detective Comics Animated Universe". "Detective Comics" is not even DC's official name, it's literally just DC. "DC" started off as a nickname (from the Detective Comics series) for the National Comics Publications, and later became the official name. And just to be clear for the third point, does that mean no paragraph can start with "He" or "His"?

Early life, Animation, Acting, Comics, and Drawing style and influences are done.

Personal life I researched several sources and interviews, Timm generally only talks about his work and seems to keep his private life private. I did find out his wife's name is Marta though and added that.

Filmography is essentially done. The one television role without a source has Timm's name in the credits. Does it still need a citation? If so, I'll just remove it because it was a minor role.

Bibliography and External links are done. --FlairTale (talk) 22:42, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

I'll take another look soon. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:26, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

It looks like you've incorporated the suggestions I made.

It's good grammar for sentences to not start with a pronoun. I don't think it's a rule codified by WP:MOS so I'll leave it be. DC is its name, but "DCAU" is an acronym of DC Animated Universe and needs to be introduced with DC Animated Universe (DCAU) in its first usage.

The bibliography needs sourcing. It could just be adding the ISBNs. The awards should just be in the prose, I don't see the benefit to a three-item list at the end. When that's done, I can pass this. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:51, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

@Muboshgu: I added (DCAU) after the first use and mentioned the Harvey Award in the prose (the Eisner already was). I'm not sure if it would be good to add the McCay and Inkpot awards to the prose though, because they weren't tied to a particular occasion and would probably have PROSELINE. The Inkpot Award, in particular, actually has a tradition of being given to the recipient when they do not expect it.

Comic issues do not have ISBNs because they are serials. There are no uncredited works in the Bibliography, however. I included Timm's Grand Comics Database credits in the External links, which has all of the comic issues he was ever credited for. Will that suffice? --FlairTale (talk) 19:19, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

I've read it through again and I think that this up to standards. Congratulations! – Muboshgu (talk) 02:31, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

I forgot to say, please put an actual citation inside that bibliography section so we can more easily see where it's sourced. That doesn't hold up my passing this. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:43, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

@Muboshgu: Would that mean using the <:ref name="GCD" /> footnote for all of them, nearly thirty times (which seems very superfluous), or is there somewhere it can only be used once? --FlairTale (talk) 03:55, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

If you write Source: once, that'll suffice – Muboshgu (talk) 04:46, 13 October 2022 (UTC)